Topic: Ab-Bb Trill without extra key

Is there an easier way to trill Ab to Bb without having the key for the right thumb?

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Re: Ab-Bb Trill without extra key

http://www.idrs.org/resources/BSNFING/fingtrll.htm

Associate Professor of Bassoon, University of North Carolina School of the Arts
Principal Bassoon, Winston-Salem Symphony
Bassoon, Zéphyros Winds
Associate Editor, IDRS.org

Re: Ab-Bb Trill without extra key

Cljones9 wrote:

Is there an easier way to trill Ab to Bb without having the key for the right thumb?

Do you mean that you want to do that trill without any Ab/Bb trill mechanism, or you want to find a mechanism that does not involve the extra right thumb key?

If the latter, there is a mechanism that can be added to a bassoon. Fox calls its version the "articulated Ab/Bb trill." It permits the player to finger an Ab depressing the thumb Bb key, and just trilling the right hand pinky and ring fingers. There is no extra spatula.

For more info:

http://www.foxproducts.com/pages/bsn_options_list.asp

Scroll down to the "articulated Ab/Bb trill" mechanism.

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Re: Ab-Bb Trill without extra key

If one is looking for mechanisms that are for the Ab/Bb trill, I suggest looking at Mike Sweeney's summary of the Heckel keywork options:
http://www.michaelsweeney.com/options.html

In addition to the one the W. Safford mentions, there is another (quite rare) that has the extra hole but no extra spatula.  One fingers Ab then trills the Bb key.  It is shown (the bassoon shown is mine) on Mike's pages by scrolling down to the Ab+Bb trill section and then clicking on "Ab+Bb with extra tone hole, without extra key".  I happen to like it a lot -- Mike has played my basson and is likely the only other reference that you might easily find.

Happy hunting.

tom schubert

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Re: Ab-Bb Trill without extra key

The easiest Ab-Bb trill fingering, according to my bassoon prof, is as follows: play Ab normally (pinky key) at the beginning of the trill; this is followed by Bb fingered normally (thumb key), except half-holing LH1; then, keeping the Bb key depressed, trill with the G key and lip the pitch down. If you have a good reed this one should work.

Alex

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Re: Ab-Bb Trill without extra key

widstrac wrote:

The easiest Ab-Bb trill fingering, according to my bassoon prof, is as follows: play Ab normally (pinky key) at the beginning of the trill; this is followed by Bb fingered normally (thumb key), except half-holing LH1; then, keeping the Bb key depressed, trill with the G key and lip the pitch down. If you have a good reed this one should work.

Alex

Oops, I double-checked: finger Bb normally WITHOUT half-holing LH1.

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Re: Ab-Bb Trill without extra key

Try normal Ab and simply trill R 3.

A sleight of hand used by baroque recorder players if an appogiatura is required. Play proper Bb onto proper Ab (possibly repeat if the trill starts slowly), then start trilling R3. The ear is often well deceived.

I have even heard difficult trills start out at the required semitone but surreptitiously move to the easier tone trill - it sounds brighter but not often detected esp in fast trills. These I am more familiar with on recorder but I shall experiment on bassoon and advise if they work.

Neville

Neville Forsythe
Christchurch New Zealand
Bassoonist / Teacher / Conductor

Re: Ab-Bb Trill without extra key

A good, consistent fingering I have for that trill is fingering an Ab, then trill your index finger of the RH while alternately trilling the D flick key.

Matt Nickel
Bassoon and Contrabasoon, Red Deer Symphony Orchestra
MM, University of Michigan

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Re: Ab-Bb Trill without extra key

Use a triple automatic system - trill A B + universal key

http://fotos.hispavista.com/fagot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ16WDSJiks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqhaoupFTaM&feature=related

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Re: Ab-Bb Trill without extra key

Top of the staff Ab-Bb trill - Try closing half hole, let off whisper and trill right hand 2nd finger.
For lower octave trill the same finger and lip down a bit.  This doesn't work if reed is too hard. 

Mark

Mark Ortwein
Indianapolis Symphony Orchestra
OrtweinWoodwinds.com

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