Topic: question about Mozart bsn concerto

hello all
I have a question about the Mozart bassoon concerto. I've heard people play an ornamentation of some kind - like an arpeggio between the C and G trills. does anyone know exactly what the ornamentation or arpeggio is?thanks

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Re: question about Mozart bsn concerto

I believe the answer to your question is that they are playing an F major arpeggio.

Like this: http://i.imgur.com/3AX9c2f.png

Matt Nickel
Bassoon and Contrabasoon, Red Deer Symphony Orchestra
MM, University of Michigan

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Re: question about Mozart bsn concerto

nickmatt wrote:

I believe the answer to your question is that they are playing an F major arpeggio.

Like this: http://i.imgur.com/3AX9c2f.png

I pretty much do this exactly. Anyone have any idea who coined this particular embellishment? Is it time immemorial at this point?

M.M.A., D.M.A. University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign: B.Mus. Lawrence University
Bassoon professor at University of Wisconsin Eau-Claire
Maker of the Little-Jake electric bassoon pickup and Weasel bassoon reeds

Re: question about Mozart bsn concerto

perfect! thank you both for the answer smile

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Re: question about Mozart bsn concerto

Trent, I have a recording of George Zukerman from 1966 performing that ornament as transcribed.

http://www.discogs.com/G-Zukerman-W%C3% … se/3504962

Of the five or six recordings of the Mozart I have, that's the oldest.

Matt Nickel
Bassoon and Contrabasoon, Red Deer Symphony Orchestra
MM, University of Michigan

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Re: question about Mozart bsn concerto

nickmatt wrote:

Trent, I have a recording of George Zukerman from 1966 performing that ornament as transcribed.

http://www.discogs.com/G-Zukerman-W%C3% … se/3504962

Of the five or six recordings of the Mozart I have, that's the oldest.

Cool. For some reason I have always thought it was a newish device, maybe from the 60's or whatever. Modern memory at least (a current generation of players' primary teacher did it or whatever and that's how it spread) but I suspect if we went really deep into the scholarship, if such a thing exists, we might find this ornament from the early 19th century. There's a doctoral project for someone in there.

M.M.A., D.M.A. University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign: B.Mus. Lawrence University
Bassoon professor at University of Wisconsin Eau-Claire
Maker of the Little-Jake electric bassoon pickup and Weasel bassoon reeds