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LeFebvre quintet

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  • This topic has 12 replies, 8 voices, and was last updated 7 years ago by Steve Harriswangler.
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  • #97273
    Nancy Duncan
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    Working on the Suite No. 1 by LeFebvre – in the 2nd movement trio there is an arpeggio up:Gb-Bb (top of staff)- Eb; down: Bb-Gb-Eb; then another up: Gb-Bb-Eb. I am having trouble finding a fingering that doesn’t have my thumb frantically searching. (I cannot reach the pinky F# key so use my thumb all the time) Thanks for any fingering ideas.

    #117178
    Trent Jacobs
    Participant

    Hmm…. sorry, the only answer I can think of is to use the pinky F# key… I can’t think of any other way around this passage. “Forked Bb” has never really worked for me at all.

    I have never met anyone without a disability that couldn’t reach the F# key at all. Are you using a hand crutch that is too big?

    #117179
    Nancy Duncan
    Participant

    Probably

    #117181
    rather_good
    Participant

    A repair shop can extend the RH pinky keys; has worked for others…

    #117182
    Nancy Duncan
    Participant

    Thanks. I probably do need to have a shorter crutch – was sort of vaguely aware that they came in different heights and sizes but never paid much attention. I just tried one off my other bassoon this past week and the stem wouldn’t even go into the hole.

    #117183
    Steve Harriswangler
    Participant

    You could just file the rod on the crutch down, make it shorter that way, if its threaded you will need to clean up the threads.

    #117184
    rswbassoon
    Participant

    I haven’t used a crutch in 40 years. I do have a C# trill guard that I rest my right first finger on when I play. If you don’t use the little finger F# you are asking for a lot of trouble whenever you have Bb-F# combinations in your music.

    Bob Williams

    #117185
    Bryan Cavitt
    Participant

    Bob – What do you suggest for those of us with short fingers? I can hardly reach little finger f# and I don’t use a crutch. I’ve been using thumb f# my entire playing career.

    Bryan Cavitt
    Bassoonist; Bassoon Dad

    #117186
    Trent Jacobs
    Participant

    I have never seen anyone with hands so small they couldn’t play front F# without a crutch at all… If you lobbed my pinky off at the second knuckle I could still get there with no crutch. The rest of my fingers would be crammed though. My right pinky doesn’t extend all the way due to a childhood injury and I have no issues on my bassoon reaching the front F# with a rather large crutch. I don’t have particularly big hands to begin with.

    I’d be very curious about your hand position.

    I’m aware of many top notch players using the C# guard as a finger rest on the right hand. I’m quite against the practice though. I switched to using a crutch a few years ago and it freed up my index finger technique, now that half of the finger isn’t occupied with controlling the rotation of the instrument. To each his own, I suppose.

    I think a big problem is that the plastic crutches provided by Fox for their student instruments are made incorrectly, and as a result many hundreds or thousands of players shun the crutch their entire careers.

    #117187
    Steve Harriswangler
    Participant

    I have to say I am pretty crutch dependent ( I actually {big sin} installed one on one if my Buffets), but my wife doesn’t use one and she has great technique and she plays on a horn from Sol Schoenbach, (it didn’t come with a crutch, I don’t that he used one either). My wife has small hands. My kids on the other hand hate a hand crutch and don’t use one, my sons hands are larger than mine. A friend of mine has a fairly new Heckel with a low metal hand rest, more like a contra one that also seems quite practical, a contra palm rest might be great for small hands, the F# problem could be solved by cutting away ( actually sanding down maybe so the keys work together), a small portion of the F key and soldering a thin L from the F# right on or next to the F key, (between the F and G keys). Just an idea.

    #117188
    David J. Bell
    Participant

    I’ve always used a crutch, and a few years ago I had Terry Ewell’s adjustable mount for the crutch put on my 5xxx Heckel. It makes a huge difference being able to adjust the angle of the crutch!

    David Bell
    Alexandria, VA

    #117189
    Steve Harriswangler
    Participant

    Come to think of it, I think my Dads Heckel has a F# extension thingy between the F# and Ab keys, I never understood why, factory made.

    #117180
    allthumbs46
    Participant

    My Heckel is tuned so that both F# are in tune for the mid-staff F# — that makes the pinky one quite flat in the lower octave. Hence, I almost always use the thumb F# in both octaves. For the arpeggio you’re talking about, I slide my RH ring finger to the alternate Bb key (there’s a roller on my G spatula to assist — there are pictures of it (#9980 before key replating) on the serial number web page). With a little practice, it works quite well going up — not quite so well on the downward path. One of the repair guys who I consulted about plating had a good laugh at me when I described my technique on that very arpeggio.

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